yeah I’m obviously listening to this in my car in the rain at night because I hate myself lol #miserablegothlife
keep in mind many men don’t really like women, they like the high regard afforded them by other men when seen with a certain kind of woman. they like the confirmations of their masculinity and sexual prowess when engaging physically with a woman, and they like the ego boost of being attractive to many women. but they do. not. like. women.
I just realized I can spot a Smithie a mile away
and probably tell you what year they’re in
and probably whether or not this is their first gay relationship
I’ve changed my mind. Partially.
The first time I saw the scene, I was a little drunk, and I was excited about a new episode, and I was excited that they weren’t shying away from that scene because I like my Lanniscest.
I also perceived the show part where Cersei is kissing Jaime back and touching him to be equivalent to the book part where she verbally consents to what’s happening.
I can now see what the huge problem is, which is that she’s still saying no on the show when the scene cuts. So, the show depicts an unambiguous rape scene, while the book depicts a (gross and problematic on so many levels) consensual scene.
I get it. I really, really do.
I do think that there’s a bigger underlying problem that people aren’t dealing with. There’s a whole lot of rape in the books, and there’s a whole lot of rape on the show.
But in the books, certain iconic scenes (I’m thinking specifically of this one and of the Daenerys/Drogo scene in the premiere) are written as starting off non-consensual and turning consensual by the end. And I think that’s a huge problem and no one else seems to.
People were freaking out that the show portrayed Dany/Drogo as rape because they thought the book scene was consensual, but I think there’s nothing okay about a grown fucking a 13 year old girl that was basically sold to him as a breeding mare, no matter whether or not she says yes by the end of the scene.
And I think there’s nothing okay about writing women who change their mind halfway through a rape and consent to what’s happening to them. So, in a way, I’m more okay with the way these scenes were portrayed on the show (full-on rape) than the way they were portrayed in the books (dubious consent).
There’s no way a teenage girl can consent to having sex with a man who owns her, and there’s no way a woman can consent to having sex with her twin brother in front of their recently murdered son’s corpse.
But if we consider the book scene as being okay (which I absolutely do not), I can see why people are upset at the show scene. A lot of people like Jaime, and seeing that happen will negatively change many people’s opinion of him as a character.
One of the critics’ responses listed above mentions one important thing: this scene may have a payoff later in the season. Personally I think the show was trying to make Jaime less likeable and Cersei more sympathetic.
I can guarantee that no one would be defending him if he weren’t a good-looking nice guy who’s been through a lot, and if she weren’t a raging crazy bitch.
I think GRRM writes his rape scenes with the woman getting into it because he needs his male characters to remain likeable after doing something disgusting. And I think that’s a bigger problem, and it’s really weird to me that the fandom as a whole is more upset that the show makes those scenes more brutal than at the incredibly problematic way the original scenes are written.
But putting aside the problems I have with the original text: yes, the Cersei/Jaime scene on the show is rape, and yes, it’s absolutely despicable.
Nikolaj, you’re pretty but you’re dumb as hell.
vomits in mouth